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Old 09-06-2008, 12:22 AM   #1
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Newest DML 1/6th kit? Goliath

I just saw this up on MDFC...apparently, another person saw this at an e-tailer...

I'm very excited about this, yet another 'kit' by DML...a big surprise for me, as the previous release from C-H was supposedly resin...
I can see this in a nice Utah Beach scene...
Is this already being discussed?
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Old 09-06-2008, 12:39 AM   #2
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FINALLY! Something I can get excited about!
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Old 09-06-2008, 12:46 AM   #3
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Old 09-06-2008, 01:17 AM   #4
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Well I am glad you guys are happy about it. I was hoping for a Schwimmwagen. Good to see more 1/6th kits .
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I would have prefered a Schwimmwagen myself but the Goliath is a good choice. I hope they don't price it too high I would say between $30 and $40 would be about right, anything over that is robbery and I'll pass.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:29 AM   #7
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I think I remember reading about the Goliath that it was produced in two versions one was wire controled and the second was radio controled
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Old 09-06-2008, 12:36 PM   #8
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Guys, I noticed one of these go up on ebay from a model shop over here in the UK, starting bid £49.99, at the current exchange rate around $90US - thats a lot of moolah. I'd like one, but not at that price.........

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Old 09-06-2008, 01:49 PM   #9
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Are you sure the one up on your Ebay is this new 'kit'?...
or, is it the Cyberhobby release in resin and plastic (prebuilt)?...
if I recall, the C-H was listed for somewhere in that range of pricing...
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If some Ebay seller got some early releases they are probably just trying to capitalize on those collectors that want to be the first to get the kit. It's possible it might be the CH one if you can post a link.
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Old 09-06-2008, 06:54 PM   #11
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Im glad to see that DML is releasing this as a kit and Id like to pick one of these up. I hope the price isnt to high but regardless it will be cheaper than the prebuilt version.
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Old 09-06-2008, 07:47 PM   #12
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I am getting an AT gun next month, but this would also be a fine addition to further arm my Fallschirmjagers with....
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Old 09-06-2008, 10:51 PM   #13
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There you go guys, see what you think, I've ordered from them a couple of times in the past and the service was spot on. Good luck if you do decide to bid.

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lol....if, indeed, this is the 'kit'...and someone actually bids 49.99 pounds for this...they're WAY overpaying...
I certainly can't imagine a 'Goliath' kit retailing for more than the Kubel, Flak, Pak....
I'm imagining somewhere in the 30-40 dollar range ....max....
perhaps someone who actually HAS the C-H polystone version can enlighten us per the box...
The picture on EBay...doesn't appear to be the standard DML boxing of kits...their boxings have illustrations on the longer sides, and graphics on the shorter sides...this looks like a C-H boxing...
The only description of the item is that it hasn't been 'started'...and has decals....
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Old 09-07-2008, 11:52 AM   #15
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Guys, I noticed one of these go up on ebay from a model shop over here in the UK, starting bid £49.99, at the current exchange rate around $90US - thats a lot of moolah. I'd like one, but not at that price.........

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£59.99 thats $106 from Hannants
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I noticed in this hobby people pay a lot more than something is actually worth, either because they are afraid they'll miss out or they want to be the first to own something. In the 12+ years I have been collecting waiting for the right price has always worked for me. One day I see a figure sell for over a 100 bucks right after that auction closes I find the same figure and buy it now for $29.00.

If this kit sells for more than $40.00 I'll be surprised and add the cost of shipping. I hope it's all injection molded and they leave the polystone for the cheesy knick knack manufacturers. Now I am really excited about this kit I just hope they don't disappoint me with some off the wall price. What did the CH one cost? I know I passed on that just because it was CH and Poly I didn't even look at the price.
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Old 09-07-2008, 07:22 PM   #17
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I think it was a little over 100 John. I wanna say something like 107.00.
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Old 09-07-2008, 08:25 PM   #18
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Has anyone heard when the release date is?
I also passed on the CH version,even tho' it is
on my 'Gotta Have" list.
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Old 09-08-2008, 04:37 AM   #19
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The worst is come true... http://www.hwjapan.com/sh/dra75006.aspx $89.48 Dragon claimed they were raising their prices due to the price of oil. What a pity.
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DML can say what they want about oil but there is no way the slight increse in cost they have experienced in the oil prices calls for the radical hike in their prices. From what I have read the oil prices have remained stable in China while the rest of the world is seeing record increases. In reality costs have gone up very little in China according to the company I used to work for. Their cost to have their line of G gauge trains is still much less than it was when I worked for them in the mid eighties and they were made right here in NE. This is why they decided to go with a Chinese manufacturer rather than have them made here in the US.

If the Goliath cost more than $40.00 I'll definately pass. Hell, I won't pay $55.00 for their sparsely equiped, rehashed figures they keep pumping out.

$90.00 for the Goliath is just insane we are talking about a very simple fairly small kit, especially if the CH one was a little over $100.00. I doub't it has half the parts as one of their most of 1/35th scale kits that sell for $30.00.
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Old 09-08-2008, 06:54 PM   #21
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Wow, thats as much as the Kubel kit? That makes no sense to me.
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Old 09-08-2008, 07:39 PM   #22
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GEEZ.....
Before ANYBODY gets their 'panties in a wad', and starts 'railing' about this price and that price...consider this before jumping off the cliff...
1) all the pictures of this vehicle's boxtop, posted ANYWHERE, have been of the CyberHobby release of this 'vehicle'...including the one in the hobby link above...
2) the term 'kit' in both the Ebay link, and the Japan hobby link above has not been defined at all....the price quoted in both instances mirrors the original C-H resin price...
3) The EXISTENCE of this kit has not even been VERIFIED...!!!!!!
My post on this subject was to show that it was being discussed on the MDFC...if you read, that, apparently an E-tailer was hailing this as a kit!...I asked if this was being discussed already, and if this, indeed, is a kit, I would welcome it very much...
The pictures of the box artwork show a DML catalog number 75006, which would follow as the next 1/6th number in line (the puppchen kit is 75005)...
...yet a few of the pics clearly show the CyberHobby stamp on the box top...
is this ONLY a CyberHobby release?...
Quite frankly, I STILL don't know if this 'kit' version is imminent!....does ANYONE here have positive proof that a kit is indeed being offered?...
I would be interested in knowing this as I am interested in ALL the DML 1/6th kits...
Yet...here we are...griping about a price on an item which hasn't, as yet, been positively identified...
Do folks post here on these forums the same way they interact in public or face to face...or do some here use the relative 'anomynity' of a cyber discussion group to spew verbal diahrrea and heresay with no hint of personal responsibility or accountability...I guess the latter is true...it must be easy to hide behind a username...

Once again...I would be happy to voice my opinion on a price structure IF I actually had news of an imminent 'kit'...what it was made from (injection-molded plastic or resin)...whether it was a 'general release', like the previous DML releases, or a C-H sponsored offerring...
But I won't speculate on something as an excercise in verbal/written doo-doo...
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Old 09-08-2008, 08:00 PM   #23
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Well Bruce I know how to use the internet. Here is a list of 1/6 kits from Dragon:
75001 - 1/6 Sd.Kfz.2 kleines Kettenkrad Aug 16 2007
75002 - 1/6 3.7cm PaK 36 Nov 02 2007
75003 - 1/6 Kubelwagen Type 82 Jan 07 2008
75004 - 1/6 2cm FlaK 38 Apr 25 2008
75005 - 1/6 8.8cm Raketenwerfer 43 "P‹PPCHEN

If you look at the # for the Goliath it falls in order with these.
The Cyber hobby # is 71306 - Goliath Demolition Vehicle. So going by the # of the kit I think its fair guess that this is a plastic kit. And again $90.00 for a kit thats the size of most of their 1/35 scale kits (including their 3 in 1 kits) is a little expensive. And even if this is a Cyber Robme kit it is still over priced!
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Der Faust...if you read my post above...you would have seen this sentence...

[quote]"The pictures of the box artwork show a DML catalog number 75006, which would follow as the next 1/6th number in line (the puppchen kit is 75005)..."

I believe I just mentioned this number in the post previous to yours...
I would agree that 90.00$ for a kit this size would be 'over-the-top'...
but, if it's a C-H release, the price wouldn;t surprise me...
It WOULD surprise me if it were a 'general release'...
again...do you have aNY information that this is so?...
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Bruce I was pointing out what you stated. That this follows the #'s used for the plastic model kits. As for the price being close to the Cyber Hobby release, that was for a pre-built and painted vehicle. Not a build and paint yourself model kit. The price seems to be about the same on all of the online hobby stores I have checked. As I said this is about the same size as a 1/35 scale tank kit. Even if they added the engine and explosives for the inside, the price is to high.
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It's a mystery all right.
The one for sale on ebay clearly says Dragon on the box art as does the one from the original post. The one for sale at HW JAPAN clearly says cyberhobby and the DML model kit number 75006. So we are talking about two different items.
I guess we'll find the answer eventually. In the meantime, try not to fight .
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Google DRA75006 and you get a bunch of links with prices around $90

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=DRA75006

Looks like that IS going to be the price. Will be nice to see what this kit includes in order to get to that price

If it truly is a fantastically super-detailed PLASTIC kit, I feel sorry for those that bit on the CH release.
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Well for $90.00 DML can keep it. The kubel cost about that in a kit and you get way more for your $$$. If DML keeps this up they will price themselves right out of the 1/6th scale business.
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No, I dont think DML or any other manufacturer will price themselves out of the 1/6 business. They will eventually sell some of their items and who knows what else with the remainder, perhaps a package deal with a figure or kit maybe.

One reason that this "kit" may cost as much as it is suggested is because that this was a CH item. Im thinking that anyway. Anyone else think that this may be the case?

I want one and therefore Ill budget appropriately and get one.
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:11 PM   #30
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As badly as I would like to have this , I am going to have to wait until i see some reviews on it first. At almost $100.00 it will have to be pretty good.
When you consider the cost and the detail that went into the other Dragon releases. I really cant understand the price tag on this release.
The only thing I can think of is that you will be able to see the engine, and it has all the bells and whistles.(at least I hope so). And i hope to see it in a us market soon.


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I'm not surprised one bit if the MSRP is $90. A company can't produce an item and simply charge what consumers think is a bargain price. Plastic models are produced in the 40-50,000 units range versus 1-2,000 of these in 1/6. There's no opportunity to reallize economy of scale.

You guys are dreamin if you honestly think items like this are going to be alot cheaper.
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I guess what has me scratching my head, is two things.
1: why has there been no info about this release from CH ?

2: the price of the Pak , and the 2cm, and even the kuble. I have the pak , ket and the 2cm kits. And I think they are great kits.
But when you think about the amount of plastic involved the cost should be around the same. Yeah i know the price of oil ect ect ect.

Like I mentioned before. If this has the "bells and whistles" I will pick one up. But no " no detail means no sale for me".

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I can't see buying one because they weren't used much in the war and when they did they failed miserably. Why would I want a model of a failure...
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just to add my two an 1/2 cents. if dml make the kit, and we buy them, then that good for us. they may make more kits if we buy them. if they ask for a high price because of whatever. you do have the option of not buying it. i miss't out of a pak 40 maybe i'll have a chanch yet.
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Well, I got one, and it is NOT i repeat NOT a kit....

Just a resin model... you have to add 2 wheels and the track + fender, thats it....

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yep,

It's not that I don't like the model... it's good, and as a pioneer lover I had to have it ofcourse...
I just expected it to be a kit, and that I had the fun of making it......

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Thanks DragonTommie for your pics and review. I am glad your happy with it.

I would have boxed it back up and asked for my money back. So far I haven't seen anything stating it was polystone, just advertized as a kit and everyone knows my disgust with polystone from DML.

You have to be joking DML. IMHO, DML shot themselves in the foot with this thing. All the talk on the groups about new molds and the costs of plastics going up have gone out the door. I thought a plastic model would have been worth $50.00 tops but seeing it's resin (polystone)......

Too bad it's basically a block of resin, a full kit would have been so much better and gave customizers more to work with. Now I am sure I'll never get one. I like pioneer stuff I have tons of explosives and pioneer gear and the Goliath would have been a nice addition. What does this say to the guys who got the CH one for about the same price?

Is there anything different over the CH version or is this just it rehashed with out a CH numbered card?

Did they use polystone or did they switch to a real resin?
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:20 PM   #38
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Wasn't Red Horse making one of these? $100 for polystone garbage? Dragon can go get stuffed!
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I had a pretty good feeling that once the 90.00 price was established...that this is, indeed, the C-H resin release, and not in the same realm as the recent DML kit releases...
I prefer a kit....not the c-H resin offering...
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That is unfortunate.
Odd that they would put this in the same line as the unassembled model kits.
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Tom,

Thanks for posting the pics.
Well Sorry to say I will pass on it until they make a real kit.

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These are probably the left overs from there first attempt that no one bought.
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Old 09-20-2008, 02:39 PM   #43
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Hi All,

Just had a peek at one in the local model shop and I would say it is exactly the same as the 2 CH ones I have but unpainted. As Tom says definitely not a kit like the other injection moulded ones.

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Gee! It is a kit! You actually get to install the front bumper on it! Wow! Where's my heart medicine? What a crock of crap! The Goliath has all kinds of variation that would require one to be able the get inside and open up the top, etc. A huge block of polystone (Who came up with that euphemism?) is just a door stop that bears a vague resemblance to a piece of German demolition gear.
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